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Women more resilient than men?

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James Taylor (Web Ed).

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  • 03-09-2010 4:29 PM

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    Women more resilient than men?

    A report suggests women are actually better than men at turning adversity into opportunity.

    Read the whole article.

  • 03-09-2010 4:29 PM
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    RE: Women more resilient than men?

    What? All that from a difference of 2%pts on a sample of 500? I think you'd better get yourselves a stats primer. Once you've grasped the basics of confidence intervals and the like, you'll know why, from the information provided, you can infer nothing of the sort.

  • 03-09-2010 5:42 PM
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    RE: Women more resilient than men?

    Bunyard is right. The sample size is OK but a two point difference cannot be statistically significant. And note that it's a difference in executives' opinions - not resilience itself. Numbers are really important in life, politics and business. MT needs to hire people who do not make basic mistakes.

  • 03-10-2010 5:15 PM
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    Re: Women more resilient than men?

    Cut us some slack, people!

    For one thing, if we were any good at sums and stuff, we'd have proper jobs rather than writing about them.

    For another, although you're right of course (and we humbly apologise to the statisticians among you for not pointing this out), it doesn't really change the basic argument - that women seem to be perceived to be as (and possibly more) resilient than men. And we thought this was interesting, and possibly even surprising. We weren't necessarily suggesting that there was a massive gap between the sexes on this (hence the 'not exactly a chasm' comment).

    Also, David's suggestion that we missed the distinction: 'it's a difference in executives' opinions - not resilience itself' misses the point. Remember - this report is saying that these are the people who make the decisions about who to hire and who to fire, and they do so (partly) on the basis of their perceived resilience. So as far as this particular argument is concerned, that's precisely the point - their opinion is what matters.

    Nonetheless, we promise to resign the next time we make a basic mistake. Shouldn't take long..

  • 03-10-2010 7:14 PM
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    RE: Women more resilient than men?

    Sorry, James, but you're not getting away with that. As anyone who knows the fundamental principles of statistical theory will tell you, these data say literally nothing about how women may or may not be perceived relative to men. It's irrelevant that the difference is small and therefore only indicative – the usual layman's mistake. The point is that there's no meaningful or 'significant' difference at all. What this means is that, if the same survey were conducted a thousand times, each time with a different random sample of 500, men would come out with the higher score about as often as women. In other words, your story is a fabrication based on a textbook example of statistical abuse. Flint's argument is that there's enough misleading claptrap put about by politicians already and the media should be challenging it, instead of parroting propaganda.

  • 03-11-2010 3:22 PM
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    Re: RE: Women more resilient than men?

    John - thanks for the much-needed schooling! I'm clearly in no position to argue with your infinitely superior knowledge of statistical theory, and I fully accept your basic point.

    Nonetheless... The point I was trying to make in my last response (and I appreciate this wasn't clear from the original piece - for which mea culpa, errare humanum est, and so on) was not that the figures were interesting in terms of what they said about the gap between men and women. It's more the fact that the score for women was so high.

    So as long as you're happy that the sample is statistically significant (as e.g. David seemed to be), presumably the hope would be that if you ran the survey a thousand times, you'd get more or less the same score for women, and more or less the same score for men. And these scores would be more or less the same as each other.

    I appreciate that none of this proves that women are more resilient than men. But surely it does at least suggest that there isn't perceived to be much of a gap between them? And personally, I find even this surprising. Instinctively - and you may disagree with this - I'd have expected the scores for men to be much higher (though I'm not entirely sure why). So I still think there's an interesting point in there.

    One more thing - on a wider point, I hope you'll agree that it's rather unfair to suggest that we make a habit of 'parroting propaganda'. We'll often question the motivation and methodology of research that other outlets run unquestioningly (as per this).
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